d-base wrote:A-hum, and to sing "lovey-dovey-lovey-dovey all the time perfectly is just as hard as singing 3 high octaves one after another with 1 breath in between while preparing to go beat the drums...?

Of course there will some interruption but as vocal ability she was perfect.

It doesn't matter whether or not it is hard, she must sing correctly otherwise the song isn't nice to listen to. If it is too hard then don't try to sing it!

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I think that East have veeeery better song than West,song from the West are so boooooring....You must to send good song,if you wanna to win.

pink.sugar wrote:YOU JUST VOTE FOR EACH OTHER.

And whining Westerners vote no one, save Scandinavians, who vote each other.

ayzelto wrote:Yeees, please, an ESC with these countries taking place:
1. UK 2. Ireland 3. Iceland 4. France 5. Norway 6. Sweden 7. Finland 8. Denmark 9. Spain 10. Portugal 11. Luxembourg 12. Italy 13. Germany 14. Austria 15. Belgium 16. Cyprus 17. Greece 18. Israel 19. Malta 20. Monaco 21. Andorra 22. San Marino?

As in the past

As boring as in the past. None of my this year's favourites would be present, then

BTW what country will represent former Yugoslavia in your scenario? Without it, it would not be exactly as in the past.

The countries left out would probably held their own song festival, as they actually did before the eastern block fell down. And Finland attended to both of the competitions, so I could perhaps choose which one to listen. At least this year the eastern one would have been much more interesting!

loved wrote:She sounded just the way she sounded in the recording.

No, she didn't. And I have listened that recording enough many times to judge this matter, as I liked (and still like) it so damn lot! Compared with the recording, Elitsa's live performances were disappointments, especially in the semifinal. However I voted her (and Stoyan of course!) The Bulgarian entry was the most original one this year (along with Ukraine's), an interesting combination of local tradition and trance music. I just loved the way she sung, and the sound of her voice, in the recording.

JuhaJaara wrote:

loved wrote:She sounded just the way she sounded in the recording.

No, she didn't. And I have listened that recording enough many times to judge this matter, as I liked (and still like) it so damn lot! Compared with the recording, Elitsa's live performances were disappointments, especially in the semifinal. However I voted her (and Stoyan of course!) The Bulgarian entry was the most original one this year (along with Ukraine's), an interesting combination of local tradition and trance music. I just loved the way she sung, and the sound of her voice, in the recording.

Well... I'm a bit confused, cause we watched the same show, and our opinions are so different (of course recording in the studio and dancing onstage while singing are different thigs, they can't sound the same; but tone-wise she did it without fault). I guess the most important thing is that it's a good song and it won a high place

loved wrote:Well... I'm a bit confused, cause we watched the same show, and our opinions are so different (of course recording in the studio and dancing onstage while singing are different thigs, they can't sound the same; but tone-wise she did it without fault). I guess the most important thing is that it's a good song and it won a high place

No she didn't. Tonewise, she went offtune several times.

Also, there was no dancing in that number, at least nothing that was hard enough to screw up someone's vocal performance. She's just not that good.

Look, I realise in the semi she failed. May be that was because of a problem with the monitor, I really don't know. But the song is based on folklore from the region Shopski. There is one specificity - the singing in two voices in an interval second. I'm sorry, my English is not good, but I suppose you can understand me. For example there the one voice sings C, the second - D. It's sounds strange and false.

In the semi Elitsa sung false not because of this, I suppose there was a problem with the monitor, as I've said, but in the final she sung more normally. But in a second with the melody, to underscore the shopski folklore sound. I know that's a strange song and I can understand why some poeple like it so much, and other - take it so badly, just the Shopski folklore it's strange itself...

But why are we discussing Elitsa? Why she became the main theme in this topic?!

Volhova wrote:Look, I realise in the semi she failed. May be that was because of a problem with the monitor, I really don't know.

I guess she was just nervous; she was the first performer in the semi. And it may not be so easy to drum and sing, drumming is just hard physical activity! In the video, she has been able to concentrate on singing only.

Volhova wrote:But why are we discussing Elitsa? Why she became the main theme in this topic?!

We are discussing about should "we" leave (whoever that "we" might be; I suppose it means "the westerners", whoever they might them be... ). And singers like Elitsa is one of the reasons I think we shouldn't!

(BTW have you encountered any interview of Elitsa or Stoyan after the competition? I'd like to know how they felt it and were they themselves satisfied with their performance and the 5th place. Please send me a private message, if you think this is off topic.)

Well, I've listened them only in the National Television, and there Stoyan said their song was the unique, qualified so high without any geopolitical reason, so they feel themselves like a winners in the competition

I am trying to be more realistic, for example I liked so much the Serbian song, the Hungarian, the Iceland entry and the Finnish song, I can say only our song was the more original this year, the more different. Elitsa and Stoyan have more and nicest things than "Water", but I like "Water" too. And everybody from the participants can say he/she feels himself like a winner But it's true our position is without the help of the diaspora or something like that

The Bulgarian song was excellent imo. Unique and a real risk. The singer was a bit off key a few times in the semi-final but she seemed fine in the final. I'd like to hear more of their wok but living in the UK it is extremely unlikely that I will.

Anyway on topic I don't think the west should leave. I think it is perhaps harder for good western songs to succeed than good eastern songs but not impossible. The competition this year was very fierce. Despite not qualifying for the final I guess Portugal was the most successful "western" country this year. I doubt many saw that coming.

JuhaJaara wrote:I guess she was just nervous; she was the first performer in the semi. And it may not be so easy to drum and sing, drumming is just hard physical activity! In the video, she has been able to concentrate on singing only.

As a singer you should be able to sing perfectly whatever concert you have, being nervous is no excuse. Btw, in video's she does not sing live, everything is taped.
And the typical way of singing, from a c to a d e.g., isn't that just singing several tones within one syllable? Than it is not that special.

Back on topic: West keep sending songs!

And the typical way of singing, from a c to a d e.g., isn't that just singing several tones within one syllable? Than it is not that special.

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Back in topic: West, start sending songs, please!

Volhova wrote:Look, I realise in the semi she failed. May be that was because of a problem with the monitor, I really don't know. But the song is based on folklore from the region Shopski. There is one specificity - the singing in two voices in an interval second. I'm sorry, my English is not good, but I suppose you can understand me. For example there the one voice sings C, the second - D. It's sounds strange and false.

How could the monitor (what monitor, anyway?!) possibly screw up her singing?!

No matter how much better she did in the actual final, she was still far from "perfect" as someone put it.

NinjaLove wrote:And the typical way of singing, from a c to a d e.g., isn't that just singing several tones within one syllable? Than it is not that special.

Yes. And it's quite easy as long as you don't suck.

<-- hobby singer.

Well, I really appologise for my English. There is a device, wich gives the possibility to the singer to listen the music, while is singing. I don't know how is it in English, here we call it "monitor". And if you don't have connection with that "monitor", is quite easy to go out of tone. And that

And the typical way of singing, from a c to a d e.g., isn't that just singing several tones within one syllable? Than it is not that special.

I just don't have any idea how can I comment it. May be I really can understand the question, or may be this just is not serious

Do you mean the backing track? She didn't hear the backing track properly and missed her cue?

Yeah!!!! Thank you, Chisato Geeste!

Turkey have been in the eurovision since 1975 altough so bad results...our best ranking was 9th since1997..
so western should stay...and bring good songs into the contest..not crap..

Volhova wrote:

And the typical way of singing, from a c to a d e.g., isn't that just singing several tones within one syllable? Than it is not that special.

And that I just don't have any idea how can I comment it. May be I really can understand the question, or may be this just is not serious

Well, somebody said that it is typically Bulgarian to sing like that, but as far as I understand it, it's just several tones with one syllable (or word for that matter) and that is common in many countries.

Ah, OK then. Look, the women sing in two voices: one of them sings the melody, and the other one sings in one main tone all the time. The interval bertween the tones is little second, for example C - C#, you know. Some times there is one more woman, wich in the final of the song sings one little second above that C# - D. The three women sing three different tones only in interval second (C - D for example). That's no so easy, believe me. That interval really sounds false and one unprofesional singer all the time strives to start to sing with the main melody. In Bulgaria only in the Shopski region and in the village Nedelino in the Rodopi mountain exists that matter of singing, is not so usual...

In the case of "Water", without backsingers, in some places Elitsa sings in a second with the instrumental melody and that sounds false and strange for the people, wich don't know about that peculiarity of our folklore.
In the semi some times she was just out of the tone, not because of "folklore reasons", I really don't know why was that. As a matter of fact the same happen with Koldun and with some other singers after him. It was very obvious when all of them started to hear their music, or their backing tracks (thanks, Chisato Geeste ) - in that moments their started to sing in a tone. I don't want to blame no one. But in the final Elitsa sung normally - normally for one Bulgarian folklore singer, wich sings mostly melodies from the Shopski region - the sound is open, a little bit screamy, and there was that little second with the back track with the purpose to underscore the folklore motive... And her final performance was good. Was different from the studio version, of course. I'm quite sure that the studio version of "Molitva" sounds better than the live performance, same for "Unsustantial blues" (for me those were the songs, that deserved to reach the top and "Unsustantial blues" was trully underrated )

In Bulgaria we have some folklore regions. I prefer the melodies from the Rodopi mountains, Stranja mountains and the Tracian region, and I don't like so much the songs from Pirin, from Shopski region and from my own region - Dobruja region. But there was something in that song. May be I am not so neutral, being Bulgarian, but I like the trance, I like those drums and may be I would like that song no matter from where it comes. Elitsa just can't sing like Marija Sherifovich or Magdi Ruzsa for example, she is not pop singer, she is folk singer. Her performance was different grom their because of the character of "Water" - it's not a modern ballad, it's with folklore spirit, combined with modern sound. Peace, OK ?:)

Now I understand (at least partially) what this Bulgarian folklore is.
But I do not agree with you that Marija Serifovic would sound better on a cd, her performance was just excellent!

Sorry for stepping back but I couldn´t help laughing

Greece is not a part of the eastern block but every year we are in top 10 you must take some lessons from us

The guy was English and born in London matey so dont give us that!!!

And Elena is born and raised in Sweden

How much Greece is Greece.....???

While I agree about the unfairness of voting (because you know many countries' votes in advance, no matter what the song is like), I don't think the best solution is to leave, but to make some changes in the system...

And the discussion about Bulgarian song shows so well how tastes differ in West and East... I personally liked the song, but I know that to many Western ears, it sounded just screeching and drum banging...