Should the west leave ?

by **BruFa** on Mon May 21, 2007, 01:36

Denice wrote:
Bulgaria wrote:
pan wrote:
Bulgaria wrote:.East songs was verry verry verry good.

Name one.

I would give you one -WATER That was the song which every country loves.That's why get your mouth shut.And Greece song was amazing.O MAKEDONIAn was verry good two.What about Serbia who is the winner.Verry good song.BUT WATER IS NUMBER 1.If you don't like Water then take a shower.We are too sick of crazy opinion like yours that said our song are not good.But look at results and think about it

Are you stupid? Every country in Europe loved the Bulgarian entry? A can tell you that swedish radio shows made lots of jokes about that song and put it as the main example to point out how the the eastern dominance had effected the Eurovision (how this song finished fifth is still beyond me and most of my fellow citizens). And btw, it got 0 points from Sweden.

by **lota** on Mon May 21, 2007, 06:34

Yes, if they want

by **Volhova** on Mon May 21, 2007, 08:51

BruFa wrote:...
Are you stupid? Every country in Europe loved the Bulgarian entry? A can tell you that swedish radio shows made lots of jokes about that song and put it as the main example to point out how the the eastern dominance had effected the Eurovision (how this song finished fifth is still beyond me and most of my fellow citizens). And btw, it got 0 points from Sweden.

melina wrote:...
And the discussion about Bulgarian song shows so well how tastes differ in West and East... I personally liked the song, but I know that to many Western ears, it sounded just screeching and drum banging...

I think the Melina's opinion gives the answer of your question, BruFa. Are you feeling better, insulting the people? Everithing is a matter of personal taste - for example I could say that is beyond me to understand the Swedisn support for the Ukrainian song, but it seems some countries from the West like the ridiculous performances. But it will be an offence - that's really a matter of taste!

And I beg the admins to rename this topic in "Discussion of Bulgarian entry in the Eurovision 2007"! Pfffff!

by **chartsbelgium** on Mon May 21, 2007, 15:57

No, they must change the voting system!

The western countrys must send better songs, if they refuse they will be on the border of the resultstabel! Better songs = better place = more points.

Is this the eurovioncontest or an actingcontest? Who knows?

by **BruFa** on Tue May 22, 2007, 00:37

Volhova wrote:
BruFa wrote:...
Are you stupid? Every country in Europe loved the Bulgarian entry? A can tell you that swedish radio shows made lots of jokes about that song and put it as the main example to point out how the the eastern dominance had effected the Eurovision (how this song finished fifth is still beyond me and most of my fellow citizens). And btw, it got 0 points from Sweden.

melina wrote:...
And the discussion about Bulgarian song shows so well how tastes differ in West and East... I personally liked the song, but I know that to many Western ears, it sounded just screeching and drum banging...

I think the Melina's opinion gives the answer of your question, BruFa. Are you feeling better, insulting the people? Everithing is a matter of personal taste - for example I could say that is beyond me to understand the Swedisn support for the Ukrainian song, but it seems some countries from the West like the ridiculous performances. But it will be an offence - that's really a matter of taste!

And I beg the admins to rename this topic in "Discussion of Bulgarian entry in the Eurovision 2007"! Pfffff!

I know I'm a bit hard on that one. But insult or not....for me the real insult is when you spend many hours on forums and try to get into the contest only to find out that the eastern bloc pulverized the other countries this year and probably will do so every year in the future...That's a real insult!

And about the Swedish support for the Ukrainian song? It's called protest votes.

by **JuhaJaara** on Tue May 22, 2007, 06:59

BruFa wrote: I know I'm a bit hard on that one. But insult or not....for me the real insult is when you spend many hours on forums and try to get into the contest only to find out that the eastern bloc pulverized the other countries this year and probably will do so every year in the future...That's a real insult!

And about the Swedish support for the Ukrainian song? It's called protest votes.

Well I do not know about Swedes but at least there were plenty of Finns (including me) who genuinely liked the Ukrainian entry, and whet we vote for it, it was by no means protest voting. (BTW I liked that Bulgarian entry as well; in the final I gave votes for five different entries.)

This year the eastern countries (that do not form a single bloc) succeeded well, next year some other countries might succeed better. Seeing the results from the whole televoting era, you just can't conclude the West has no chances for success in the future. Especially the Nordic countries may still succeed well, as we tend to vote for each other's entries...

by **Volhova** on Tue May 22, 2007, 08:40

Of course the Nordic countries have extreme big resources to generate one real winner - see Lordie for example. There are nice metal bands, quality musicians, good music... But I really don't know why some of these countries persist to send in ESC things like "Amambanda" (or whatever it was), pseudo latino songs, etc. May be there are people, wich don't take the contest seriously. About the whole West - this year for example Spain has shown one really big improvement after the fiasco with Las Ketchup. I persist to affirm that D'NASH where underrated - their song wasn't winner song, but they deserved to be at least in Top 10 much more than some other countries.

But about the Nordic countries - who knows, may be the next year the winner be one of them, again

by **NinjaLove** on Tue May 22, 2007, 09:29

I didn't vote for Amanbanda, on the contrary. But there are a lot of Dutch who think that was a great song: a mediteranean sound, pretty girls and a nice (imaginary) language. Sigh.

There are people who like the type of music a country sends, like the latino songs of Portugal and Norway, but it is hard to find people who favor those kind a songs over all other songs. I really liked Finland but I found Serbia better, so no votes for Hanna unfortunately. It is a game, every year.

by **lilith** on Thu May 24, 2007, 13:19

would we been having this discussion if it were the other way around; if it were the East that had failed completely?

I don't think so, the west are just so used to succeed in ESC

by **Volhova** on Fri May 25, 2007, 19:49

Very good point, lilith!

by **DIFF** on Fri May 25, 2007, 21:06

The western Europe sends such bad songs, that competition from their leaving will lose nothing :wink:

by **Rasho** on Fri May 25, 2007, 21:35

DIFF wrote:The western Europe sends such bad songs, that competition from their leaving will lose nothing

Except money :roll:

by **Milos-BC** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:20

You forgot(western countries) about what Marija said after her victory in helsinki:,,Just make a good song and you'll do great''

My advice is the same.Prepare a good song for Serbia,and it would be great.Don't forget that Ireland made into TOP 10 last year(and not because of bloc voting) Finland won,and Andorra almost qualified for the final this year.......

YOU SEE,GOOD SONG CAN MAKE A SUCCESS IN ESC,NO MATTER IF IT'S A WESTERN COUNTRY OR NOT........YOU SHOULDN'T LEAVE,YOU SHOULD START PRODUCING SONGS THAT BOTH EAST AND WEST WILL LIKE,LIKE WE MADE ,,MOLITVA'' THIS YEAR......WHO WOULD SAY THAT A BALLAD WILL WIN EUROVISION SONG CONTEST,AND WITHOUT A SINGLE WORD IN ENGLISH,AND,AT THE END,WITHOUT ALMOST ANY STAGE SHOW.....think a little. :wink:

by **Rasho** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:33

Let them whine, Bugs.
We came 23rd and we're not acting like p**sies :wink:

by **Milos-BC** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:39

Rasho wrote:Let them whine, Bugs.
We came 23rd and we're not acting like p**sies

That's right......and Montenegro also can be counted in ,,bloc'' voters(ex-yu,balkan bloc..... :roll:

).

You have finished low even though we ,,from the bloc'' gave you points......

I'm just to tell them that the story that ,,east is unfair and west is fair '' is a bullshit.The song is what matters,after all :wink:

by **Rasho** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:41

Yeah, but still I can't understand what are Turkey and Armenia doing in the top 10, and Spain and Finland at the bottom. :evil:

by **Milos-BC** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:49

Well.........Turkish song is good actually,and the Armenian is quite good,but i agree Spain,and especially Finland didn't deserve such a low place.But i think that in this case the draw did it's own. :roll:

by **Rasho** on Fri May 25, 2007, 22:53

Bugs Bunny wrote:Well.........Turkish song is good actually,and the Armenian is quite good.......

Tell me you're kidding :shock:

by **pink.sugar** on Sat May 26, 2007, 18:33

Convince me that if:
Norway had sent Molitva it would have won. Our song, Alvedansen, was really professional ballad with a great performance but we ended where? Semifinals!
Iceland would have sent Lasha Tumbai it would have been 2nd. They had a better joke last year but were in 15th place or something.
Spain would have got 3rd place with a "don't call me funny bunny. I'll blow your money money" hahha not saying Las Ketchup were better though :lol:

Of course we'll never know..but come on people!

by **Milos-BC** on Sat May 26, 2007, 19:11

pink.sugar wrote:Convince me that if:
Norway had sent Molitva it would have won. Our song, Alvedansen, was really professional ballad with a great performance but we ended where? Semifinals!
Iceland would have sent Lasha Tumbai it would have been 2nd. They had a better joke last year but were in 15th place or something.
Spain would have got 3rd place with a "don't call me funny bunny. I'll blow your money money" hahha not saying Las Ketchup were better though

Of course we'll never know..but come on people!

I will try to open your eyes a bit.....

1.,,Alvedansen'' WAS A GREAT SONG,but as you can see it didn't have that spirit to catch both western and eastern ears.I agree that 14th place is really bad for that song,but Europe told that it wasn't good enough.Finland won in Athens last year,and as you see a western country can win ESC,if it's good enough.......Molitva won this year,and the good song can win ESC.............and yes,i think Norway would win if you had Molitva to represent you.

2.Icelandic ,,joke'' last year wasn't joke at all....it was the most vulgar and brassy act ever......i don't remember that the audience in the hall ever reacted like that.Verka's song this year was a joke act.....and a good one.

3.Now i didn't like neither Las Ketchup nor Serebro,but if Las Ketchup had ,,Song#1'',i think it would be TOP 5.......Spain was in TOP 10 in 2004,because they had a great song.

So,you see,everything is possible,you just have to try and make a SONG......than there are no differences between east in west.

by **melina** on Sat May 26, 2007, 19:46

Why, oh why is it so difficult to understand?! It's very clear from this year's results that it is simply not enough for West just to "send good songs". Many of them did this year, end ended up in the bottom 10, either in the final or the semifinal. As simple as that. Frankly I'm getting a bit tired of repeating this...
(Unless Eastern Europe defines a "good song" simply as a song the East will like?? I'm sorry, but you can hardly deny that Western Europe will have its own views about the matter... :roll:

)

Rasho wrote:
DIFF wrote:The western Europe sends such bad songs, that competition from their leaving will lose nothing

Except money

Actually, there probably won't be any ESC without the West. :twisted:

(Maybe some kind of song contest, but an entirely different one.)

And as for Montenegrins not complaining even though they did badly, well, the song wasn't good, so how could they?

by **Rasho** on Sat May 26, 2007, 19:59

pink.sugar wrote:Convince me that if:
Norway had sent Molitva it would have won. Our song, Alvedansen, was really professional ballad with a great performance but we ended where? Semifinals!
Iceland would have sent Lasha Tumbai it would have been 2nd. They had a better joke last year but were in 15th place or something.
Spain would have got 3rd place with a "don't call me funny bunny. I'll blow your money money" hahha not saying Las Ketchup were better though

Of course we'll never know..but come on people!

I can't see Norway singing in Serbian, really. It wouldn't win 'cause many people would think that it would be a**licking to the Balkans for points.

Iceland could've send Verka and they would reach high. I loved it, and I didn't mind if it was Ukrainian, Russian, Maltese etc.... Do you really think that Silvia was good? I mean, you don't expect people to go on the Internet to read about her and find out that she's Agusta's alter ego, it's the first impression that counts. And the first impression about her is that she's an arrogant, hysteric, jelous b**ch.

Spain would be high, 'cause the song is good. But, I doubt that the Spaniards would vote it to be their entry.

Btw. Alvedansen was great, but it didn't have the power from MF in Athens.

by **pink.sugar** on Sat May 26, 2007, 20:46

Rasho wrote:
pink.sugar wrote:Convince me that if:
Norway had sent Molitva it would have won. Our song, Alvedansen, was really professional ballad with a great performance but we ended where? Semifinals!
Iceland would have sent Lasha Tumbai it would have been 2nd. They had a better joke last year but were in 15th place or something.
Spain would have got 3rd place with a "don't call me funny bunny. I'll blow your money money" hahha not saying Las Ketchup were better though

Of course we'll never know..but come on people!

I can't see Norway singing in Serbian, really. It wouldn't win 'cause many people would think that it would be a**licking to the Balkans for points.

Hahaha perhaps, but I still think that because Serbia has 1000 neighbors and Norway only 3 we have less chances.

by **Rasho** on Sun May 27, 2007, 01:34

pink.sugar wrote:
Rasho wrote:
pink.sugar wrote:Convince me that if:
Norway had sent Molitva it would have won. Our song, Alvedansen, was really professional ballad with a great performance but we ended where? Semifinals!
Iceland would have sent Lasha Tumbai it would have been 2nd. They had a better joke last year but were in 15th place or something.
Spain would have got 3rd place with a "don't call me funny bunny. I'll blow your money money" hahha not saying Las Ketchup were better though

Of course we'll never know..but come on people!

I can't see Norway singing in Serbian, really. It wouldn't win 'cause many people would think that it would be a**licking to the Balkans for points.

Hahaha perhaps, but I still think that because Serbia has 1000 neighbors and Norway only 3 we have less chances.

You don't need to have much neighbors to score high. It's diaspora what counts. I don't thin Switzerland is Serbia's neighbor, really :lol:

by **chipz** on Sun May 27, 2007, 09:56

if some west coutries stop the big four maybe they will start to make better songs

Should the west leave ?

Should we leave ESC for good?

The opposite

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